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« Reply #25 on: 07/ 6/2008 10:02 PM »

Alright we will let that be the last word, your arguments have fallen to conspiracy theories.    Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: 07/ 6/2008 10:19 PM »

When did corruption in China (or any where) become a conspiracy theory? I know you read newspapers. You can't deny it's possible.
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« Reply #27 on: 07/ 6/2008 10:31 PM »

No way will that be the last word.  Not NOW anyway. 

PK, I get what you're saying because I understand your thinking.   Smiley 

I am just not one of the people who are particularly happy to see them close a single store right now.  Not when I am technically among the number of people who are out of work.  Not when I read emails from my friends who lost their jobs due to corporate bottomlining who are college educated, holding degrees, and are losing their homes because they cant find a job with a salary on par with what they lost. 

I see your point, and I also support small business.  But right now, I see no joy in what they are doing because to me, it means there are kids who will be going without.  Young mothers or fathers who gladly took the job at Starbucks not for the pay, but for the benefits and work hours, who will not have that anymore.  People who may have been happy to work there to stay off govt subsidized support are going to have fewer options.

One man's virus is another man's cure, I guess.





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« Reply #28 on: 07/ 7/2008 12:20 AM »

I feel bad for those that lose their job too. Especially if they're victims of corporate greed, which it is in this case (Starbucks grew too quickly, too soon, and now they're having to cut back on their costs in order to keep their stock up.).  But I know, in the end, the barristas will prevail and they'll be stronger because of their struggles.

I was let go from a job because of downsizing, even though the company was making record profits, and it made me very angry. I needed that job really bad. But later I realized it was for the best because I found a better job that I enjoyed a lot more and in a career direction I never considered before. And then, years later, I got let go from that job too... and  I LOVED that job so much. But it turned out being let go was the best thing that ever happened to me. My boss told me that I would one day thank him for letting me go. I was like, "No way! You suck!". But sure enough he was right. Being let go eventually led me to where I am today. I really should send my old boss a Thank you. lol

There is a great story, I think they quote it in Charlie Wilson's War, about a wiseman and a horse (sounds like a joke, doesn't it?) Basically he tells the story of a Zen master who observes the people of his village celebrating a young boy's new horse as a wonderful gift. "We'll see," the Zen master says. When the boy falls off the horse and breaks a leg, everyone says the horse is a curse. "We'll see," says the master. Then war breaks out, the boy cannot be conscripted because of his injury, and everyone now says the horse was a fortunate gift. "We'll see," the master says again.

Who am I to argue with a fictitious Zen master. lol Grin Grin
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« Reply #29 on: 07/ 7/2008 01:14 AM »

I've been reading more (and varied) news articles about the closures and they ARE trying to place a number of the employees at existing locations.  The store closures are affecting something like 12,000 people who have jobs at these stores.  Their original plan was only to close 100 stores, the other 500 stores having been on a watchlist for some time, were added later.   Part of the problem has been the screwed up U.S. economy making it where people were tightening up on their wallets and budgets, and part of it is the fact that when they opened a new store in such proximity to an already existing store, their own profits were cannibalized. 

I doubt very seriously that they did not consider this possibility when they exploded in sheer numbers of stores.  Call it greed, call it a capitalist experiment gone wrong, I think the world watched in various forms of fascination, waiting for the train wreck.  Here's their moment to rejoice.  But better hurry.  They are opening 200 more stores by fiscal year 2009.   Cheesy

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« Reply #30 on: 07/ 7/2008 08:05 AM »

Here is a photo of Starbucks busiest location in the world, Shibuya, Tokyo.     This is located at the world's busiest crosswalk , posted on another thread.   Grin
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« Reply #31 on: 07/ 7/2008 08:14 AM »

Thanks, KitKat! That answers my question, "Why did the pedestrians cross the road?"

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